Jan Jekielek

And there's even weird kind of there's a eulogy that was sent to me once, right, a few years back, which was someone celebrating how a super elite had had multiple organs transplanted and how glorious that was, you know, super weird, twisted stuff.

Right.

And I was I didn't really know what to make of it then.

But then when this hot mic hit, I understood.

I can tell you about that if we've got a moment.

It's a terrible thing.

Go ahead.

More terrible things.

I was sent a report in the final month that I was writing the book.

And the report was of basically children being farmed for organs.

and i actually couldn't so when i started i i'm kind of strange with the organ harvesting now because i worked on it for 20 years so i'm desensitized like and i can have my breakfast cereal and talk about forced organ harvesting and stuff right but when i started reading this report that same revulsion i felt back in 2006 and 2007 came back and i actually it took me three days to read this report

Because I immediately kind of knew that the incentive structures are all set up for it to be true, even though, of course, we need to look at it deeply and find the evidence.

But I was actually on a panel shortly afterwards with a man named Sir Geoffrey Neese.

he was he had actually prosecuted slobodan milosevic back in the day and then ran something called the china tribunal which was the a people's tribunal to assess the body of evidence of forced organ harvesting in china and they found you know massive evidence let's just say okay so he we were actually posed this question it wasn't for it was a panel on forced organ harvesting

And I said, I have this revulsion.

I believe this is going to turn out to be true.

We're going through the evidence.

And then he jumps in and says, I mean, we can look up the testimony.

He basically says, look, they built the system to do this kind of stuff.

It's not surprising at all that they would use a different group of people.