Jan Jekielek

I can think of three surgeons that we've had contact with who have confessed to being involved in kill to order.

Each one of those surgeons knew absolutely at the moment that they were committing that murder, that it was murder.

but they were going along with it because they felt the coercive power of the state.

They knew that if they flinched, if they stopped, they would be next.

I mean, that's basically the idea.

So I can't tell you.

I'm sure some of those surgeons are psychopaths themselves that are involved.

which is basically every transplant surgeon in China, right?

Because that's just how the system works.

There might be a few that managed to do some legitimate transplants, but that's just not how transplantation works in there.

It's this horrible murder for organs industry, which they, you know, they grew it.

This is the crazy.

So another piece of evidence, right?

In 1999, when the Falun Gong persecution began, there was like a trickle.

There's a very small number of organ transplants happening.

But as they incarcerate the million or two million Falun Gong, the whole industry grows geometrically.

They build thousands of transplant hospitals.

And it gets up to the level by 2005, it plateaus, grows a little bit.

And by the end of the 2000s, we're at 60,000 to 90,000 transplants per year.

That's the best estimate we have.