Jared Bernstein

That was a cap that was put in on Obamacare.

You know, that's been helpful as well.

So that's the way forward.

And it means a huge political fight, but that's the fight we have to have.

Yeah.

So the simplest thing is Medicare for more.

If you were talking to Bernie Sanders, it would be Medicare for all.

You know, but you're talking to me.

And so it's Medicare for more.

And what that means is is lowering the age of Medicare.

I've heard it.

Yeah.

And so, you know, because it's you might hear people talk about a public option.

That's really very similar to what I'm talking about.

And this is the idea that whether you're in your workplace looking at what you can choose or you're going into the Obamacare exchanges, you can, you know, if you're if you're of a certain age, you can choose Medicare, which is a less expensive form of care because of the kinds of cost controls I mentioned earlier.

And, you know, someone who's on it now, it works well.

I did.

And I do think that competition has been somewhat insufficient in that space.

Exactly.

There's vertical integration, there's horizontal, vertical meaning up and down through the hospital systems, and then there's horizontal.