Jared Bernstein

So there's...

That kind of integration, particularly in some of our larger cities, is putting upward pressure on costs.

And in the piece that Neil Mahoney and I just wrote, we went after that.

We said we have to block that.

You know, you have a lot of investors supporting that kind of integration.

But on the insurance point,

Remember, when we did the ACA, we made a political, because I was in the Obama administration then, we made a political calculation that we were going to go, you know, through the insurance companies, not around them.

We were going to adapt them as allies.

Well, they we never would have legislated that if we had, I think, if we had gone with the, you know, trying to crowd them out.

And, you know, I think that's why Medicare for more is going to be a tough sell, because they recognize that that kind of competition, they don't want to compete with the government.

They recognize that Medicare can provide less expensive health care for for people.

And, you know, they kind of are resigned to

assigning that to seniors.

But if you take that down to 50, they're going to fight you tooth and nail for those mansion reasons I said before.

But we still have to go there.

Well, not necessarily because we're not getting into the policy weeds.

So it's not that this is going to be free for people.

I mean, Medicare is not free for anybody now.

You still have Part B premiums and all that.

No, they would have to pay an actuarially fair premium rate if you're on Medicare.