Jared Kushner

And then also with the real conservative groups, because there was a lot, a big part of the conservative base that felt like we should be giving people a second chance.

And in addition to that, this will keep our country safer and it will reduce the cost of what we spend on prisons.

And so it was a great effort and I was very, very proud that we're able to get it done under President Trump.

Hand-to-hand combat, meetings.

You know, like the cool thing about this, so everyone always says, I always get frustrated when I hear a lawmaker say, oh, the Senate's not what it used to be or Congress isn't what it used to be.

Things are broken today.

I don't think that's true.

I think, you know, going through the process,

I think that our founders were totally genius in the way that they designed our system of government.

And what I saw is you just have to work it.

So everyone knows the power of their vote.

Some would give it to me easily.

Some wouldn't give it to me easily.

Some would trade it for other things.

Some would withhold it because they were pissed about other things.

And it was just hand-to-hand combat.

So it was just making calls, using the phone, going, walking the halls, going to lunches, hosting dinners at my house.

It was just, it was a nonstop lobbying effort.

And by the way, it was also adjudicating issues and making people feel like they were heard, hearing their issues, and then trying to find solutions that you don't put something in that then tips off where you lose a whole coalition.

So it was really a balancing act, but it was an amazing thing.