Jasmine Sun

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80,000 Hours Podcast · #248 – Jasmine Sun on what the people building AI really believe · 21 Jul 2026 podcast

I think because so many of the populist concerns are wrapped up in economic inequality, unless there is a clear sort of economic benefit, the sharing of the pie in a highly legible way, we're not going to sort of smooth over that set of concerns, which is why sometimes I'm half joking that you need the big gold Trump check in the mail that says Trump X Open AI.

But I actually think something like that would do quite a lot to persuade people that

that there was some deal made to share OpenAI wealth or OpenAI equity or OpenAI cash or whatever it is with the public.

But, you know, I'm actually like cautiously optimistic about things like, you know, the OpenAI Foundation, if they can be independent from the corporate side of that, the corporate side, and they are able to fund like an incredible amount of public goods, community programs, research, et cetera, maybe it'll help.

I think they're good people.

They're doing their best.

I was there for a couple weeks meeting with both people in the Chinese AI industry as well as just other random people around.

Yeah, so I went for two weeks a little bit ago, and I spent a lot of that time asking people about whether there was an AI backlash, whether people were worried about risks, worried about jobs, all of this kind of thing.

Yeah.

I think my view of it is it's less a techno-optimism than it is a kind of techno-determinist pragmatism.

I actually see a lot of the same techno-determinism in China as I do in Silicon Valley, where there's a sense that progress and modernity has a particular direction.

We are always going to see the economy and technology march forward.

The CCP has been very clear about the need for technological advancement in order to advance China itself as a country and as an economy to its next stages of growth.

And given that, people sort of see it as the only choice you can make to get on board.

There's not a culture of protest or a culture of resistance in China.

I think that's just part and parcel of being in an authoritarian society where there's a lot of government repression of any kind.

contrary speech or any attempt to organize in some form or another.

And what that means is just like ordinary people, like when I talk to my family members, the idea of resisting AI or protesting is almost unfathomable to them because you're going to get crushed because you know the government is very supportive of AI diffusion.

you're not going to win.

Second of all, with things like jobs, it's like China already has a lot of white collar unemployment.

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