Jasmine Sun

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80,000 Hours Podcast · #248 – Jasmine Sun on what the people building AI really believe · 21 Jul 2026 podcast

I could build a better product, a safer product, a more technology...

That cares more about human welfare.

And in addition to that, I might as well, you know, get my bag and make sure that I have a stake in the future is the other thing.

I do think a lot of people, if they believe that this huge disruption is coming, do care somewhat also about securing their own spot through democracy.

financial upside in the future and so that one's a little bit more worrying to me because like sure maybe I get it and I'm happy for them but most people in the world do not have the opportunity to like get themselves out of the permanent underclass by getting a job at OpenAI and so you know that's what I worry about

Yeah, I'll share your caveat that I would say that these what I call like successionist light views are more niche and definitely less common than the sort of previous set that I described.

But I have been worried in hearing in just casual conversation fairly prominent and influential people within the AI community.

express sort of an indifference or even a preference to a world where AIs are making most of the decisions in society rather than humans.

I mean, one of them, these are, I won't disclose people's identities because they were Chatham House or sort of off the record contacts, but, you know, like I'd be having a conversation with somebody at a conference workshop and they would say, you know, like everyone at this conference is so worried about what's going to happen to humans in the

I'm more worried, what if the monkeys are still running the show?

And in this case, the monkeys refers to the humans.

He was more concerned that humans would still be in charge of governments, of corporations, of society, because he sort of had this view that AIs in their super intelligent existence were more deserving and more important to preserve a future world for.

Or I was, you know, talking to another very influential person in the AI scene and we were just on a walk and musing about, you know, like if all labor gets automated, what are people going to do?

And he was like, maybe it'll be like Nozick's experience machine and we're all going to be, you know, wearing these VR headsets and watching movies.

perfectly personalized AI slop.

And so we don't have any leverage in society, but in a way it's very pleasurable and people are very happy.

And I was like, I don't know, do you think that's actually the world we want?

We're sort of going back and forth on it a bit.

And he's like, honestly, Jasmine, I'm a lot more interested in what the AIs are going to do with each other a thousand years from now than I am in what's going to happen to humans next year.

And so I

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