Jason Flom
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522 appearances
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first heard Feb 2026
last heard 17 Feb
Jason Flom’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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And you've got to figure a lot of the people in jails, a higher percentage of people in jails are innocent than people in prisons.
But so now your lawyer maybe shows up to visit you, maybe never does.
It's a big schlep for them to go to the jail, go through the processing.
It's a whole day, right, basically.
They make it difficult on purpose.
Yeah.
So if you do get to visit your lawyer, you may quickly come to realize that even they may be doing their level best, but they're juggling 100 or more cases.
That's not hyperbole.
They're also juggling figuring out how to pay rent.
You know, in New York City, legal aid has many attorneys who drive Uber at night or DoorDash, or they do whatever they do to make ends meet because they can't make ends meet on the salary that they're being paid.
They're overworked, they're underpaid, they're exhausted, they're juggling a lot of cases, and they may tell you that your best chance is to plead guilty.
You're going to be also looking at a situation where the state, Avi was just telling me this morning about a guy that he was in prison with in New Jersey, who I think is still there, who was offered three years and is serving 45.
Messiah Johnson, who I spoke to this morning from Virginia, he was offered three years and got sentenced to 100.
150.
A lot of people will say, you know what, I don't have a snowball's chance in hell against the state and its infinite resources, witnesses that may be incentivized to lie, cops, prosecutors who may be playing fast and loose, and that's probably a polite way of putting it.
Yeah, yeah.
And so they take the plea.
So I think people really need to understand that if, you know, first of all, this could happen to you.
It could happen to anyone.
It normally happens to people who are poor, people of color, people who are disenfranchised, but it does happen to others as well.
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