Jason Giles

She's like, but I think in narratives.

And I used to have to wait for designers to kind of build this thing.

So then, but now I can just quickly whip something out.

So I'm like, that's perfect.

Awesome.

But then she said, and I'm building an app.

And I'm like, oh, tell me more.

And what she told me was not about the app.

It was what she has learned.

as she's tried to do this, the mistakes that she made.

Oh, I did, I should have focused on this and got back to your point.

Like, oh, I should have really thought about like the design system and how, but the learning that that takes from natural curiosity, clearly I never asked her to build an app.

And so I just, it was such a great example of maybe the mind shift and mindset that I think is going to be really important these days.

Well, yeah.

And what's interesting too is that like

in the process of playing with these tools, sometimes not only appreciation for the other disciplines and the arts, but also like, there are some things that you can't skip.

Like, you know, it's so easy to go into these tools and be like, oh, create this experience and I want it to do this and this and this.

And then you realize, oh, wait a minute, I need to think about what are the, who am I designing this for?

What are the requirements?

You know, what is the scope?