Jason Stanley

And I think then a lot of people just, you know, just like you said, like in Victor Klemperer's Language of the Third Reich, he talks about, and in several of his works, he talks about how people just didn't take...

Hitler's anti-Semitism seriously in like 1931, 1932, 1933.

It was all for political reasons.

And we're seeing a repeat of history.

People think, okay, this stuff is just for political reasons.

I was in Hungary in 2009 and 2010 in the summer running summer schools.

And people were like, oh, and I was like, I think this guy Orban sounds really scary.

And people were like, oh, no, no, no.

He just wanted to win an election.

So that just seems to be, it seems to be so baked in that kind of denial seems to be so baked into people.

So what we're seeing is a leaderless movement, and that's incredible.

That is wonderful, because leaders, they can always co-opt, as Carter G. Woodson just said in his book in 1931.

This is a leaderless movement.

This is ordinary Americans saying, you know, we don't want this to be us.

Now, you know, the whole this is not us is a little exaggerated because clearly a majority of Americans did vote for Trump.

But it's up to us to clean this up.

So we are seeing...

a leaderless movement, people joining their local community groups.

We're seeing pastoral leaders show up.

We're seeing rabbis travel to Minneapolis.