Jay Dyer
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first heard Jul 2026
last heard 13 Jul
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By the way, you could never see all the catacombs.
Like, we spent a whole day just in one of the catacombs in Rome.
There's altars, there's images that they painted in the first, second, third century.
So even the catacomb church had liturgy, had imagery.
Plenty of examples of this.
The church fathers also write about it as well.
So those are huge, I would say, differences between... And remember, people couldn't read back then.
Most of the Roman Empire was illiterate.
So when they would go to these services in the catacombs or wherever, they would be hearing the Word of God.
That's why Peter says, this is the Word of God which was preached to you.
Paul says to Timothy, pass on all the things that you heard from me in the presence of many witnesses.
So...
That oral teaching, that oral hearing of the liturgical worship was the norm.
And then one of the things that really cracked it for me as a Protestant when I left Protestantism was when I learned that, by the way, I learned this from evangelical scholars.
one of the things that developed the canon of the scripture itself in terms of like how the church decided what books go in which ones don't was what's called the lectionaries lectionaries are the daily liturgical readings in the churches so when the church fathers were having these councils and they were meeting and the kind of scripture doesn't actually get solidified at least for the orthodox church until the sixth and seventh century
They would say, okay, which ones do we have a tradition that says Paul wrote or Matthew wrote?
Which ones are in the daily electionaries?
And if you're a Protestant, you believe in sola scriptura, the idea that liturgy and liturgical tradition play this huge role in the determination of the canon, make it very difficult to say that we're based on scripture alone, sola scriptura.
No, we would say the Orthodox Church is based on the idea of apostolic succession, that the apostles appointed successors in various bishoprics and sees throughout the Roman Empire.
It's based on the tradition, which could include the lives of the saints.
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