Jay Dyer
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first heard Jul 2026
last heard 13 Jul
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But as I got more into historic Christianity, I sort of realized that, well, maybe republicanism isn't like the highest form of government.
Like maybe it's not necessarily the best.
And I'd never read any critiques of republican governance and whatnot.
But it turns out there have been quite a few people, especially after –
scientific revolution there were there were conservatives and right-wingers who were writing pretty i would say substantial critiques of republicanism i think even members of royal families were writing pretty good critiques of um well naturally yeah
And he was, of course, a proponent of republicanism, but he wrote that the more decentralized in the sense of democracy, he didn't like democracy at all.
He thought that that would eventually lead to mobocracy and the rule of the passions.
Because the oligarch in that type of a democratic setting has the incentive to appeal to the biggest number at the lowest level.
basis lowest common denominator and then it becomes incumbent upon him to really play on the passions of the mob so why not debase the people because they're easier to control the mob so there's an incentive that even plato noticed back then the key i think he writes in the republic if this happens they're going to legalize weed they're gonna legalize uh everything to do with butt stuff yeah so it becomes fake and gay um
So he sought, I think, in various ways, even as a pagan philosopher, to try to figure out some way to have a society based on sort of objective, almost mathematical principles.
By the end of the Republic, it's sort of like you get the impression that he thinks that you need to go study...
mathematics on the top of a mountain for 20 years and then you come back and then you sort of instantiate mathematical forms into into the society and it's interesting because later on by the end of his life he seems to progress towards more of like a secret society type of governance because he has this um i guess i'm going for memory maybe the symposium or the other one but he he argues that there's this council of night in ight which is a governance board of like spy chiefs yep
And so they meet at night because the public's too stupid to know what's going on.
So, uh, which is just weird.
Cause it reminds me of like, I remember reading something about Kissinger talking about the wise men and like, it's like, he's a Plato's talking about like Henry Kissinger's form of like secret, like secret government devolved to the level of Jeffrey Epstein.
Yeah, there's no easy answer to that.
I mean, I think, again, when you look at Christian history, even in the West or in the Orthodox East, you have a pretty normative tradition of kings and queens, preferably kings.
And that happens through a semi-sacramental service called a coronation service.
So, you know, the Orthodox Church always coronated Christians.
emperors, czars, kings, some of the most famous kings in the history of the Orthodox Church fought massive battles.
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