Jay Jack

But it's just like in martial arts.

The reason I don't get as irritated at some of the force-free stuff is because I've been here before in a different industry.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's, it's more difficult to prove, but I watched the process of people get stuck.

So what I was going to say was, I think that people start with their belief, not knowing there's a difference.

And then if somebody actually points out to them, Hey, look, that's not, that's non-contingent aversives, which is abuse.

Like non-contingent aversives is fucking torture.

That's not punishment.

That's torture.

contingent aversives are totally not torture because you master the averse mastering an aversive mastering a thing is not that creates confidence that doesn't create that creates confidence because you mastered it succumbing to an aversion like enduring a thing that you don't know how to escape that is absolute torture right yes 100 i think the people that don't know it

first believe they don't they don't understand the difference and then if somebody points out the difference then i think they're in karate i think they're stuck like they're a karate black belt that has been 45 let's say a kid even a little more chance they're like they're doing this yes and like look there's value in tai chi it's wonderful absolutely

It's beautiful and it's great.

And I'm sure there's going to be a period of time where that's all I'm going to be able to do.

It's going to be great.

But I would never sell that to people as realistic self-defense.

It is what it is and it has beautiful value for what it is.

It's just not, we can't market that for combatives.

Like that's just not combatives.

And I think- It's a fairy tale.