Jay Van Bavel

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Hidden Brain · You Are Not Ordinary · 27 Jul 2026 podcast

And so.

That is a fundamental norm that needs to be reinforced and ideally by leaders because leaders can make it very hard to dissent if they punish dissenters or they can make it easy by expressing how much they value them and how important it is.

And in society, this is often through protest.

This is like one of the most important signals of a healthy democracy is that people can peacefully protest.

So this is like a signal that we're healthy.

in our society if we can do this, that we can speak up.

I've been to countries around the world where I talk openly of my criticisms of my home country and people's eyes get wide because they would never feel safe doing that in their own country.

And so this is something that is really critical in any group that you're part of is to understand the dissenters are often the people who care the most and they're speaking up because they're concerned and giving them a platform to

And hearing them out, even if you don't agree with them, at least taking them seriously and understanding they're doing it out of a position of care.

So Jacqueline puts her finger on a feeling that many people right now in the United States have and many other countries.

In the United States, as you said, this is a political divide in many cases, but hate can come from all kinds of angles.

It can be driven by racial hatred.

It can be driven by religious hatred.

So I think we have to take it always very seriously that

that it is a dangerous thing because it is very powerful and motivating.

And the other thing to understand is one of the reasons why people are so passionately hate other groups is because it's driven from a position of morality.

I actually have studied this and have several papers on it, that when people hate something,

They say it's because that group or that belief system violates their sense of morality.

And the moment that something violates your sense of morality, you see it through the lens of black and white, good and evil, right and wrong.

And it's hard for you to listen if you see things that way.

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