JD Vance

And the point that I've tried to make is I think a lot about this question of social cohesion in the United States. I think about how do we form the kind of society, again, where people can raise families, where people join in institutions together, where what I think Burke would have called the mediating layers of society are actually healthy and vibrant.

And I do think that those who care about what might be called the common good, they sometimes underweight how destructive to the common good immigration at the levels and at the pace that we've seen over the last few years. I really do think that social solidarity is destroyed when you have too much migration too quickly. And so that's not because I hate the migrants or I'm motivated by grievance.

And I do think that those who care about what might be called the common good, they sometimes underweight how destructive to the common good immigration at the levels and at the pace that we've seen over the last few years. I really do think that social solidarity is destroyed when you have too much migration too quickly. And so that's not because I hate the migrants or I'm motivated by grievance.

That's because I'm trying to preserve something in my own country where we are a unified nation. And I don't think that can happen if you have too much immigration too quickly.

That's because I'm trying to preserve something in my own country where we are a unified nation. And I don't think that can happen if you have too much immigration too quickly.

I think that's fair. It's more linear and more structured than what I just said, but I think it's pretty consistent with what I just said. It's not you follow commandments. It's also not that you just disregard these things or sort of say, oh, well, I know what this guy thinks, but I have to make a prudential judgment differently. I think it's

I think that's fair. It's more linear and more structured than what I just said, but I think it's pretty consistent with what I just said. It's not you follow commandments. It's also not that you just disregard these things or sort of say, oh, well, I know what this guy thinks, but I have to make a prudential judgment differently. I think it's

you make a prudential judgment informed very much by the church's teachings as reflected by these leaders. And by the way, you mentioned Joe Biden, two things on this. First of all, we just found out actually right before I was walking in here that apparently he's got some very serious health issues. So we wish the former president the best in his health.

you make a prudential judgment informed very much by the church's teachings as reflected by these leaders. And by the way, you mentioned Joe Biden, two things on this. First of all, we just found out actually right before I was walking in here that apparently he's got some very serious health issues. So we wish the former president the best in his health.

I also, to be candid, and this is going to sound like I'm beating up on him, I really don't know how much Joe Biden's late evolution on abortion was that thought out? I mean, far be it for me to defend Joe Biden, but I really think the more that we learn, the more that we see the policy of the Biden administration was driven much more by staff than it was by the elected president.

I also, to be candid, and this is going to sound like I'm beating up on him, I really don't know how much Joe Biden's late evolution on abortion was that thought out? I mean, far be it for me to defend Joe Biden, but I really think the more that we learn, the more that we see the policy of the Biden administration was driven much more by staff than it was by the elected president.

Well, I mean, one, not to pat ourselves on the back too much, but I do think the most important success is stopping the flow of illegal migration to begin with. And I think that the president has succeeded wildly on that. I agree. Greater than my expectations. I had high expectations, but we've done a very good job there. I think the president deserves a great deal of credit.

Well, I mean, one, not to pat ourselves on the back too much, but I do think the most important success is stopping the flow of illegal migration to begin with. And I think that the president has succeeded wildly on that. I agree. Greater than my expectations. I had high expectations, but we've done a very good job there. I think the president deserves a great deal of credit.

You know, on the deportation question, so first is just a minor wonky point that kind of bothers me in the way this is reported in the media. Sometimes you will hear people say that deportations in the Trump administration are down relative to the Biden administration. That is, in fact, an artifact of the fact that the Biden border was effectively wide open.

You know, on the deportation question, so first is just a minor wonky point that kind of bothers me in the way this is reported in the media. Sometimes you will hear people say that deportations in the Trump administration are down relative to the Biden administration. That is, in fact, an artifact of the fact that the Biden border was effectively wide open.

In other words, if somebody comes across the border illegally and you immediately turn them around or you you schedule a deportation hearing and say, hey, come back for your hearing, a lot of both of those would get counted as deportations. So you can have a lot of deportations when you have quite literally millions of people per year walking across the border.

In other words, if somebody comes across the border illegally and you immediately turn them around or you you schedule a deportation hearing and say, hey, come back for your hearing, a lot of both of those would get counted as deportations. So you can have a lot of deportations when you have quite literally millions of people per year walking across the border.

That's the low-hanging fruit in terms of deportation. So just a point of clarification there.

That's the low-hanging fruit in terms of deportation. So just a point of clarification there.

That's right. Yeah, that's right. I mean, look, it's and I'm sure that New York Times listeners are going to be scandalized by by this line of argumentation. But I think it's really important that in some ways the deportation infrastructure that is developed in the United States is not adequate to the task, given what Joe Biden left us.