Jeff Grant

Like, like I'm lawyering, I'm helping people.

I don't even consider any of it work because it's like what, it's what my passion is, what I want to do.

And I have this wacky story that was just basically putting one foot ahead of the other, showing up at an AA meeting every single day and pretty much just doing God's work.

And which led me to you, frankly.

And I got some other podcasts to opportunities and some very cool magazine articles and things and some other podcasters who help spread the gospel.

And anybody who gets in touch with me, I don't care if they can pay me or not.

I mean, if you've got an hour of my time, if you're in front of me for an hour, I'm going to help you figure it out or get a resource for you or whatever.

And if they can pay, great.

If they can't pay, I don't care.

This is not about the money anymore.

It doesn't sound sustainable.

Well, the people who can pay me are paying me pretty well.

It's like this fantastic life.

And how did that happen?

And the answer is, I don't know.

I don't know.

It's like, as you probably know, like on any given morning, you know,

I could wake up and be overwhelmed and not want to get out from under the covers and be in a fetal position, like this is all too much, and still have really bad days.

And on other days, I'm living this incredible life that's way beyond my wildest dreams.

And so I guess that's why I was really happy to get hooked up with you to be able to bring this message out there that there is hope.