Jeff Guinn
speaker
677 appearances
2 recordings
1 series
first heard Dec 2024
last heard 14 Sep
Jeff Guinn’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
Trend
recordings per month · last 12 monthsRecordings per month over the last 12 months — 1 in all, peaking in Sep 2026 with 1.
Appearances
One of the tankers radios in, and this is caught on tapes, not for the public yet, but internal, that he wants to try different canisters, which are in fact combustible. This is about 6.10 a.m. and fires no more than two or three. This is lost in everything else that's happening. Meanwhile, they're mostly firing the Coke-can-sized canisters
that when they pop inside, and they do, that spreads the CS gas. And people are trying to tie, you know, bandanas over their faces. Little children are screaming in agony, and the Branch Davidians even had some gas masks, but they wouldn't fit children. Most of the guns and some of the foodstuffs and almost all the ammunition, millions of rounds that the Branch Davidians had stockpiled,
was in a little concrete room inside the main building. This isn't little wood slats like the outer rim. This is concrete. And that's where the mothers take the children in hopes that at least the canisters won't get in there. But the canisters are being lobbed in by tanks. And the tanks with the long gun arm out in front are smashing into the sides of Mount Carmel, knocking in parts of the wall.
So there are holes you can lob the canisters through. And some of these canisters, because the concrete roof over the heads of those women and children who are trying to hide has been cracked open, are dropping in there. Jetzt stürzen die Branch Davidians innen herum. Es ist wie eine Maze mit all den kleinen Hallen. Sie versuchen, das Gas zu entfernen.
Sie versuchen, die Arme der Tanks nicht zu schießen, als sie durch die Wand kratzen. Und dann, ein paar Minuten vor Noon. Das hat sich für sechs Stunden gedauert. Plötzlich sieht jemand Flammen. Und danach gibt es drei Möglichkeiten. Das Erste ist, dass die FBI etwas ausgelagert hat, um das Gebäude aufzulösen. Sie konnten die Branch Davidians in irgendeinem anderen Weg auslösen.
Und hier ist die Regierung in einer krüllen, unvorstellbaren Gestaltung, christliche Männer, Frauen und Kinder lebendig zu bürgern, für kein anderes Verbrechen als dass sie Waffenhändler sind und ihre Rechte respektiert wollen. Das ist die erste Möglichkeit. Die zweite Möglichkeit ist, dass es ein Unfall ist. Somebody knocks over one of those Coleman lamps and the fire spreads from there.
So, who knows what happened? All we know is that it burned. And we also know that nine people, nine adults managed to escape the inferno and come out. Their skin so burned that it's bubbling on their arms and hands as they're forced on their faces to the ground. But because the world media is there, all of us, you remember it, I remember it, we watch it happen. Und es ist schrecklich.
Und es muss jemandem schuld sein. Was natürlich, wo alles ab und zu passiert ist.
The government came out intact in terms of people being killed on their side. But of course, they came out horribly in terms of public perception. The day after the event, about 65-70% of Americans polled believed that the government had acted responsibly. But less than six weeks later, well over half the public believes that the government has committed a monstrous act.
That's because different facts start to come out, starting with the fact that even though the government had initially claimed it wasn't true. There were a few combustible shells used. Now the fact that we had proof these were used five and a half hours before the fire started made no difference to the conspiracy minded.
If the government had lied about that, they must have lied about everything else.
Well, the first thing that surprised me that I found out when I started researching the book was Timothy McVeigh was outside Mount Carmel.
For a couple of the days, he actually hawked anti-government T-shirts and bumper stickers.
And he claimed two years later that Mount Carmel and vengeance for Waco was what drove him to do what he did. The fact that it's something we can prove. dass die Zahl der Militärgruppen in Amerika sich ständig erhöhte, wegen Waco. Wenn man sich heute die Militärgruppen anschaut, die so bekannt geworden sind, wird man sagen, dass Waco das Ort war, wo sie eigentlich begonnen haben.
Die Regierung machte dieses schreckliche Ding. Aber im Laufe meines Forschens stand mir eine Sache heraus, und ich würde sehr gerne diesen Punkt machen, wenn ich darf. Es gibt drei Organisationen, drei Gruppen, die zusammengekommen sind. Und bis heute wird die Mörderkontroverse weitergehen. Es gab die Branch Davidians, die ATF und die FBI.
In allen drei Fällen kann man klar sehen, dass niemand die andere Seite verstanden hat. Es gab nie einen echten Versuch, zusammenzukommen, um etwas in Frieden zu bringen. Aber hier ist der kritische Punkt. Für die ATF und die FBI The best result for them, politically, publicly, just in terms of their budget if nothing else, would have been that this was resolved quickly and non-violently.
The only group whose agenda had to include death, had to include a fight and people dying, came from the Branch Davidians. And that is a fact.
Showing 661–677 of 677 · page 34 of 34
← Previous