Jeff Guinn
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first heard Dec 2024
last heard 14 Sep
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About 80 branch Davidians leaning out of the windows that just dot Mount Carmel all over. Oh mein Gott. Oh mein Gott. It was a bloodbath and ATF agents who fought in it and survived told me they were Vietnam veterans and they had been in massacres in Vietnam and they had never seen a bloodbath like it. Yikes. It was horrible.
They can't climb back in the trucks. The trucks are shot to bits. There are three different attempts at ceasefire. There's a phone inside Mount Carmel and a county sheriff's office. They're on the phone with the Davidians during this, trying to arrange some kind of ceasefire. But the thing nobody else understands but the Davidians is this.
They believe this is the assault from Revelation as prophesied by David Koresh This is the big one. They've got to fight to the death. Because that's the only way they're getting to come back and have all the rewards. ATF never had any idea of that. Instead, all they know is they're completely outgunned. They got people dead.
There is not a way in hell they're going to be able to storm into that building now and take these people. They need to pull out and somehow redeploy, figure out how to go about it differently. For the Branch Davidians, why the hell would you want to do that? We've got this final fight. It's here. On their end, this was the problem. They had at that time five people killed in this assault.
There would be a sixth who would die trying to get into the building a couple of hours later. And a couple of them were dying horrible, lingering deaths, screaming to be put out of their misery. And they finally were. The Branch Davidians had thought that somehow, when this time came, it was going to be relatively painless. God was just going to lift their souls up.
Yes. And instead, here's screaming in agony. So that threw them off. Plus, Koresh had been hit during the firefight. And it looked like he might be dying. And so they were going to want whatever last words the lamb had to say. And finally, after two and a half hours, there was a sullen agreement on both sides to a ceasefire.
The Branch Davidians were sure that ATF was just going to come back probably that night. ATF thought they'd regroup and be sent back maybe in the morning. Neither one was right. It was just the beginning where both sides had thought maybe it was the end.
The FBI was called in the same night that ATF was driven away. And for the FBI, there was a certain amount of resentment. They were being called in to clean up somebody else's mess. Now there had been a similar sort of thing in Idaho called Ruby Ridge in October 1992.
Wenn ATF und die FBI eine weiße Militärin und seine Familie in ihrem Kabinett verabschiedeten, und es gab einen Schuss, und der Mannsweib wurde getötet, und es wurde wirklich dreckig, schlechte Publizität. Nun, in der Meinung der FBI, hat ATF dieses Ding von einem Ende nach dem anderen gespürt. Und sie wurden angerufen, und wenn es nicht gut endete, würden sie verurteilt werden.
Und unter dieser großen Menge von Agenten gab es zwei separate Gruppen. You have the negotiators. Let's just take whatever time we need. We're going to talk back and forth. We're going to get this worked out. And you have the tactical teams. Look, we got everybody. We've got tanks. We can go in there in 10 minutes. You know, we can control the whole thing.
And during the siege, there was great tension between these two groups. It particularly grew just a few days into the siege when Koresh suddenly announced If he were allowed to make a tape that would be broadcast on national radio about the seven seals and what the Davidians believed, that once that was played, he and all his followers would come out and surrender. The FBI let him do that.
And the tape he sent out was just a garbled mess. And clearly anybody objective who was listening would have said, who is this guy? He's nuts. Forget about the whole thing. But the FBI didn't care. They didn't care what he believed. They called it Bible Babble. What they did was they simply prepared, okay, we did our half, now the guy's going to come out. They didn't know two things.
The first thing they didn't know, and I confirmed this with Branch Davidian survivors, the Branch Davidians were going to come out concealing AR-15s and grenades in their clothing. Men, women and children. And when they got out, they were going to have one last glorious blast off for God.
So that was what they were planning to do. And to Koresh and his followers, they weren't lying. The Bible taught them that sometimes you have to be a serpent to do the work of God. So yeah, they were going to fool these people, but they were God's chosen. That was what they were going to do. But Koresh at the last minute and He would say later, God had spoken to him and said, don't come out yet.
Maybe he thought God said that to him. Maybe he just didn't want to get shot up some more and die. But he reneged at the last minute. And to the tactical team among the FBI that proved he was just going to lie the whole time. That negotiating was a waste of time. And so it dragged on. And the world media came to wake up. What do they have to write about every day?
Well, the Branch Davidians are in there. They're not going to be able to come out and talk. So they have to write about, why can't the United States government with all these agents and all these tanks do something? And so finally the FBI petitioned the Department of Justice, let us go in, let us get this over with. And there's some gas we can use that is non-lethal.
It'll just get everybody out there. We're going to get this done.
The fire started because people were foolish on both sides. Mount Carmel itself was a fire trap. You've got this huge structure made out of junk wood. It's still cold. The Branch Davidians have put hay bales around the walls to try to serve as insulation. The government's cut off electricity. So the Branch Davidians have Coleman lanterns that they're using for light and for heat.
And they've got all kinds of combustible gas stuff all around the building. They've also got their guns. The FBI promises the government, new Attorney General Janet Reno specifically, that we're going to fire non-combustible canisters of CS gas in there. The gas just burns and irritates. It doesn't fatally strike anybody. The people will have to come out.
And we'll start putting it in at six in the morning. Shouldn't take that long. The Branch Davidians surrounded, seeing tanks come in. Once again, okay, so this is the big one. This is what we were expecting. As the canisters are fired in, the first ones, the problem is there's some parts of the compound, particularly part that's being built into that big pit. where the canisters are bouncing off.
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