Jeff Hiller

And so I started watching all of these YouTube videos of interviews of Stephen Sondheim.

And in about like, I don't know, number seven or eight, someone said, do you have to pretend that you're liking a show when you're in the audience watching it?

Because people are watching you watch this show.

And he said, oh God, no, I don't ever do that.

But I do have to pretend that every actor who auditions for me is the best thing I've ever heard or they'd all kill themselves.

And I thought, oh, no.

Maybe that's what was happening during that audition today.

And in fact, I did find out I did not get that show.

Were you crushed?

Yeah, I was.

I was.

But I'm also...

I'm also used to getting the no.

And there's something in theater when you get that far along, you get the no.

And a lot of times in film and TV, you never even find out if there's a no or a yes.

It's just you get kind of ghosted.

And so there's something about hearing a no that's like, okay, well, closure.

And you just move on.

Well, I was having this crisis because I was in a financial crunch.

I didn't have a lot of money.