Jennifer Forde
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The house, the curtains are drawn all the time.
I think they had to go around for something.
The whole front room is full of computer equipment.
They had to have a safe room in the house, boarded up the window.
I mean, there's no way these people were just straightforward embassy workers doing passport checks at the airport.
So, I mean, it was a kind of funny sort of switcheroo of suddenly reading the world differently.
And they, I mean, they do fill your head with this idea that it's happening all the time, you know.
But I think that's what was quite interesting is looking at the history of antagonism and certainly whether or not the CIA would have been necessarily in line politically with that.
or whether they would have found it quite hard to let go of that kind of age-old, kind of really entrenched view of Cuba as the enemy.
I mean, I think going back to the revolution in 1959, when, you know, before that...
Cuba was like, it was like a kind of Miami.
It was like a playground, kind of Vegas, loads of, I mean, it was built by mob money, casinos, hotels.
Frank Sinatra went over and did shows.
So it was, a lot of people felt like it was just a kind of annex of the States.
So Castro...
seizing power, you know, seized money and property, and lots of the Cubans who were anti-Castro fled to Miami, where they put down roots but really imagined it was just going to be a temporary exile, that at some point they would go back to Cuba.
But that's kind of really... It was interesting to kind of look at the history and see how much that has fed into American politics.
And a lot of those Cubans who became...
who stayed in America, in this kind of limbo, rose up to... I mean, they were all quite wealthy in Cuba.