Jennifer Forde

And we, I'm sure you've experienced that.

We certainly did.

And he'd feel like if he had, you know, if things were a bit quiet, he could stir things up.

And we were so vulnerable to it, even when, you know, you would say that's what's happening.

You know, but he, you know, we've talked to Jim Sheridan about this because he would play us.

We were kind of...

At the same time, we were working with Ian.

But, you know, we were definitely the smaller outfit.

And I think, you know, that helped us because any time the sort of Jim Sheridan machine rolled into town, we were absolutely second fiddle.

Sorry, you can't do this today.

Jim's coming around.

Jim's coming around.

But for sure he would be saying the same thing to them.

But I think that it was all so obvious.

I mean, we always say Ian Bailey is sort of part villain and part Alan Partridge.

I mean, he's just, he's kind of, it was all so...

on show all the time.

See what he was up to.

Yeah, I think you do.

You can't help but feel a bit sorry for him in the end.