Jenny Friel

So he had quite a...

What I found kind of like a little grim was that, you know, we talked about the national conversation earlier.

We were made very aware of how dangerous smartphones were for teenagers because of the anacretial trial, I would say.

Yeah, no, absolutely.

But he would claim that things are as bad as ever now.

Okay.

Yeah, absolutely.

And I suppose that comes down to like the social media companies as well.

But like, although we see that Meta is kind of like facing... Things are changing.

I think parents were just so clueless about the power of, you know, what phones could do or like how easy it was to access stuff that, you know, wouldn't have even existed in many parents' imagination that kids were being bombarded with, you know, over and over again.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

Unbelievable.

And, you know, that's the, you know, and to hear when, and I've been in court when Dr. Cassidy has given evidence, she's very dispassionate.

It's all very kind of matter of fact.

And I think, you know, there's no underestimating what it is for, would have been for Geraldine and Patrick Cregill to have sat there and listened to everything that had done, you know, happened to their family because they had already been through, they were very...

They understood that Anna found life a little harder than other the children.

She was very tall for her age.