Jenny Holland

I hear that was a rather unexplained.

was to be expected but the degree with which he spoke um i think was wasn't exactly foreseen before the consistory um and and you know we have to give full credit to him this is you see people think that holiness

And humility means being cowardly in the face of injustice.

Of course, it doesn't mean that.

And I think anyone who's met Cardinals, and I've met him, I don't know, Steve Bannon's obviously met him before.

several times when he was in the White House, says he's one of the most holiest men he's ever met, and I can second that.

Very humble guy in demeanour, not sort of this fake humility that you often see in a lot of ambitious poets, and the genuine humility which you can see, you can feel.

Very quiet guy, understated guy.

He came out and I think gave the toughest speech.

Just give me two minutes, if you wouldn't mind, on that and the potential consequences of what Cardinal Zen, who was a real hero for Catholics and all Christians when he was the Cardinal Bishop of Hong Kong.

In the face of the Chinese Communist Party.

Very great guy.

Holy man.

Tell us, give us two minutes, Frank, if you wouldn't mind, on his criticisms of the consistory agenda.

We're digging down on that in a few moments.

And I would actually like to spend the rest of the show, Frank, talking with you about how the 68th generation in the Catholic Church that hijacked the church some 60 or so years ago has been running it into the ground.

It's still clinging on with its deathly clammy fingertips.

We don't have time.

The one thing I do want to quickly ask you, though, before we... We must go over to Jenny.

The one thing I want to ask you, because you mentioned this earlier, and it's so right, Trad Inc., our old friends, our old grifting friends, don't forget to donate.