Jenny Holland

I mean, if you ask the bishops, they would say that they're illegal aliens.

Trafficking grift is a religious freedom.

These are not Christian principles that they're advocating for.

What they're representing is a fraud.

And I don't think they should be treated as if they were legitimate Christians.

People that advocate for this kind of thing, I think they should be pressured to tone it down.

And bishops should be pressured to be removed and replaced with somebody who is going to preach actual Catholicism, not sedition and not agitation.

Yes.

As you say, a lay organization is the one that, in the traditional world, there's removed people that are not quite connected to the church, like it's at the SSPX.

But Leo has meeting with the FSSP, which is another group of Latin mass traditional Catholics.

But they're very much under his control.

And they do not have a political sense.

And the political sense of the traditional Catholic movement is sort of gone.

It's really been compromised.

And so we're not going to make any headway unless we have a lay organization that we can actually have control outside the grip of the media and the church.

I agree with you.

Yes, and you know, last time they did make sounds more like, that sounded a little bit more hopeful in that direction, but no, nothing concrete as far as that goes.

But the problem is concrete.

And so, yeah, that particular organization needs to consecrate bishops at some point.

But mostly, I think the power of lay movements can really have influence if they're just out of the reach of the control of the media and some of these faithful groups.