Jenny Holland

What he really wanted to do was get political oversight of the SSPX by this slow lassoing in of the society.

I think that was his strategy.

And that sort of explains why he gave them permission to hear confessions.

All I have to say before we go on to Jenny now is I actually think Lefebvre's

Position was perfect on this.

I don't want to go... You know, look...

don't i i did i don't want to take to the airwaves of the war room to go full father chakada but i think though i'm always very happy to do so um i think archbishop lefebvre's position was absolutely correct uh that you can't be ex excommunicated by those who have already excommunicated themselves and he was talking about the vatican and he was saying that because of their modernism right

They have already excommunicated themselves from the Catholic faith.

Therefore, they weren't in a position to excommunicate anyone.

And I think that's why it was for things like that.

Look, Lefebvre wasn't always that hard line.

He'd go through phases, you know, he'd be slightly more sedivacantist.

And then he'd sort of come back in and say, okay, perhaps they are real popes.

And then he'd flip again, then he'd flip again.

But when he said things like that, I think he was lighting a torch that still burns today.

And many people are attracted to that courage.

Look, Frank, we'll come back.

We'll hit the SSPX later on in the show.

We've got to go to Jenny.

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