Jenny Holland

We call them Trad Inc.

that spend their lives promoting traditionalism, who are also lining up to condemn the SSPX on this.

We're going to cover that a little later in the show.

That's really in the category of the mask is finally slipping.

Before we move on to Jenny Frank Walker, I just have to quickly ask you this.

If they go ahead on the 1st of July, and God willing, they do and succeed in consecrating four new bishops.

What do you think the Vatican's response will be?

Will it be to pronounce that they have automatically excommunicated themselves as they did 30 years ago, 35 years ago?

What do you think?

Call it.

Okay, let me give you, we do have to go on to Jenny, right, to hit the excommunications.

But let me just give you my quick take on this, on why Francis, because this is somewhat unexpected that Francis actually did Bergoglio, actually the late unlamented Pope Francis.

actually did far more to regularize the SSPX than either of his two immediate predecessors.

My take on that, even though he hated that sort of 1950s Catholicism that the SSPX sort of represented, he really had an animus against that.

He wasn't a guy interested in dogma, in doctrines, in formal theology.

He couldn't have been less interested in it.

So he didn't care.

If the SSPX rejected the Vatican II documents and they did it with footnotes and they went through with a fine...

He didn't care because he couldn't have cared less what the document said himself.

So he gave them a pass on that.