Jenny Holland

Trump has backed off from that.

And who's to say that Trump's new order is going to be so lawless all the

time i mean they they want they're they're they're advocating constantly for um fighting ice in the streets you know they want they want to they support that they've supported the bishops the renee good side of this the they you know they've been about all about illegal immigration constantly and it's really devolving into a lot of violence so i don't see why they're i don't know why they feel so uh much on the right side of the law here these bishops

So I guess Cardinal Cupich might die in prison from what you're saying there.

Anyway, this is... One can only hope.

This story about an Episcopal bishop in New Hampshire, it makes me think of where do we draw the line between these churches that are really doing things that I would say are seditious.

I mean, I'm not a legal expert.

And it's happening all over the place.

And where is it protecting religious freedom?

This New Hampshire bishop is warning that we're entering a new era of martyrdom, which to me is kind of funny.

Think of Episcopalian martyrs.

I always think of Catholic martyrs, but there aren't very many Catholic or Episcopalian martyrs these days.

I know there's Episcopalians that are very faithful and would be martyrs.

But anyway...

What he means is people who are ready to die for people like Renee Good, who is the woman that was killed trying to run over an ICE officer.

I think the ICE officer was actually injured in that.

This Rob Hirschfeld, Bishop Rob Hirschfeld of Episcopal Church, was at a vigil for Renee Good.

And, you know, of course, he appeals to the Alabama and the civil rights from the 60s.

But now it's time, he says, for us to, with our bodies, to defend against the powers of this world.

The people who want to build a new world cannot fear even death itself.