Jenny Kleeman

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443 appearances 8 recordings 5 series first heard Mar 2025 last heard 15 Jul

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Today in Focus · The dawn of the designer baby · 25 Jun 2026 podcast

of course.

She was living in Los Angeles at the time.

She went back to the US to pack up all of her stuff.

Everything was in storage.

Everything was going to be shipped over to Beijing.

But then the Chinese government got in the way and she was visibly squirming when I was asking her about him.

She looked so uncomfortable.

She was going red in the face.

I asked her if the only reason why their marriage didn't survive was because they couldn't be together for logistical reasons.

And she said yes.

So I think if she could have moved to China, she would have.

She was really in admiration of him.

She saw him as a heretic, you know, someone who is a teal fellow who has been incubated in a culture of, you know, healthy disrespect for authority is great for science and

is is great for the world someone like him who would break the rules and create the world's first gene edited babies it sounds very appealing but when you know the details of what he actually did and i think most people don't know and don't ask many questions he's actually a very very dubious figure okay and can you actually just break down for us exactly what he did

This all came to light in 2018 when he gave a presentation about his experiment, and he called it an experiment, which was the creation of twin girls, Lulu and Nana, who will be, I think, around nine years old now.

So Lulu and Nana's father...

was HIV positive.

And what He Jun Kuei did was he tried to introduce what is a naturally occurring genetic mutation that gives people natural immunity to HIV.

This protein is responsible for lots of other stuff as well, not just immunity to HIV.

We don't know what the consequences of that would be.

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