Jeremiah Johnston

And he said, Mom, a couple of years ago, Mom, why don't you take this obsession you have with these epic characters from the scriptures, epic characters that started with Herod.

And it goes on from there.

There's no lack of evil in the Bible.

And I'm fascinated by it.

He said, let's make thrillers out of them.

You know, the way that Bill O'Reilly did killing Lincoln, killing Jesus, killing all of that.

But make them biblically and scholarly.

Make them scholarly.

Well, you know what's fascinating to me, Glenn, is that they didn't start out clashing.

They both started out as babies.

And you and I both believe babies come straight from heaven and they're perfect.

But Nero was built, his lust for power was in the Roman world, the hedonistic Roman world, which was as bad as you could get.

And and but but Saul of Tarsus is where he started out.

He had the same kind of zeal and he thought he was a righteous man because he he had the same kind to be.

He wanted to be a Pharisee and a Sadducee and he wanted to be in the Sanhedrin.

He wanted to be Caiaphas.

He wanted to be the new the new Caiaphas, which was the high priest.

No, no, it was Stephen, the very first one.

Stephen, the very first martyr.

He did, but he thought he was righteous.