Jeremy Boreing

And that's a picture of what's also true in government.

The liberal order also gave us everything, like the entire modern world, to say, well, we have to get rid of the thing that has allowed us to lift billions of people out of poverty, that's allowed us to create these unbelievable technological advancements and increase human flourishing in so many ways, to say that it is the fundamental problem.

I just think that's a mistake.

I think we could look back.

at what is inevitable.

because of actual original sin is that whatever system is put in place is going to degrade over time and collapse under its own weight over time.

The illiberal order that some of these people want to put in place, and listen, I think some of them probably want an illiberal order that's virtuous, and I think some of them want an illiberal order that is not virtuous.

But even if I grant that the illiberal order will be a virtuous illiberal order, that it'll be a strong man for good,

That is still going to break down.

I think it'll break down much faster than liberalism broke down.

The...

Again, because there's an actual thing called actual original sin, and it isn't class, and it isn't government coercion, and it isn't democratic politics, and it isn't human freedom.

It's sin, and sin just corrupts everything as it goes.

So I think people are looking for a simple solution to what is actually an unsolvable problem, which is the problem of man.

And one of the beautiful things about particularly America's

uh form of liberalism as as um sort of created by our two founding documents the declaration and then the constitution is it it's sort of built into its understanding of the world the problem of original sin actual original sin and it sought to constrain or mitigate some of the worst excesses of actual original sin by

strong protection for minority rights, not just populism, by not allowing one branch of government to hold in itself too much of the power, too much authority, to actually require government to be small, to require government to be slow so that people can't react out of impulse in every moment.

And I would say it seems just as likely to me that most of the problems we face now are because of the erosion of those systems which were meant to

positively channel liberalism breaking down as they are.

I would blame that long before I would blame the concept of liberalism itself.