Jeremy Scahill

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The Don Lemon Show · Donald Trump's Iran War Chaos: What Is Actually Going On?! · 21 Apr 2026 podcast

I asked that exact question last night to a senior Iranian official because Joe Kent, who just left as the director of the National Counterterrorism Center a few days ago, actually posted that very concept on Twitter.

on Twitter, on X, saying that there's a third option, which is Trump could just sort of decide to end the war and walk away from it.

I think there's a case to be made that Iran benefits on a strategic level by being attacked by the United States or by having the looming threat of war

And because it can respond in an asymmetric way.

And Iran has been able to win by preventing the United States and Israel from achieving their objectives.

And there is an argument that I think is a compelling one from a purely American point of view, which is that if Trump were to say, listen,

The Strait of Hormuz has to be dealt with by Europe, China, all these other countries that are the primary forces using it.

We've already massively degraded Iran.

Okay, they don't want to make a deal.

Let's ratchet up the sanctions.

Let's try to continue with our covert and overt support for attempts at armed insurrection inside of Iran.

Let's let their economy continue to crumble.

Let's let them weaken.

We'll pull back because actually mission is already accomplished.

So watch what's going to happen to them.

There's a case to be made that, you know, from an American perspective, that would be the wisest move where Trump just sort of walks away.

What the Iranian official, though, said to me, he pushed back and said, you know, the people that are promoting this, yes, it does seem like it would be strategically wise of Trump to a degree, but they're underestimating the strength of Iranian institutions.

And they also are failing to look at other parts of history where we've been in

much more dire economic straits.

So what they're saying is that they're leaning into their alternative alliances, that they believe that much of the world now sees the US and Israel for what they are, and that the dynamics have shifted to such a degree that Iran believes that it could endure that scenario.

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