Jesse Carey

I think I disappointed the room.

Now it's all downhill.

Oh, thank you.

And so much credit, obviously, to the Ironclad team.

And Sean and his team, too.

We had a great team working on it.

Because that was just... And I think that's really the principle that if people want to understand just kind of the idea of psyops, right?

So there were these two Chinese military colonels.

This is in the early 90s.

It almost was like a thought experiment.

They were trying to figure out, like, how can you beat an adversary that is militarily and tactically and financially superior?

And at the time, that was something that the Chinese military had to contend with since World War II.

But as they were kind of this rising superpower, they were looking at, like, there's a real possibility they'll never catch up to the United States in terms of just military might.

Now, I will say, and we talk about this later in the series, they're rapidly catching up for a lot of reasons, particularly technological ones that we can get into.

Yeah.

But, you know, so these two guys wrote this wrote this whole plan called unrestricted warfare and ended up getting kind of published in and you can you can buy a copy on Amazon.

But the crux of it is if you can't beat them externally through conventional means, you have to launch a plan to defeat them from within.

and how you do that is you first you erode trust in basic social institutions so that can be everything from like the idea of family it could be the church it could be the government it could be the military it could be law enforcement and so if you slowly start to erode that trust that can actually turn into an adversarial relationship

And then what you want to do is you want to make people confused about what is real and what is not real.

And let the people of a country not even be able to determine, you know, truth from misinformation.