Jesse Rogerson

type of like the ice they they do their nesting on the ice they eat a specific kind of fish that is only available and with the gentoo's um sort of in invading that that niche that ecological niche it's now pushing out other penguin species so the short answer is is that some are doing good some are doing bad and the ones that are doing bad are the ones that have specific needs

Exactly.

The biggest problem with climate change in general is disruption, and we don't know the effects.

You've heard of the food web.

Nature is so interconnected, and it's such a delicate balance.

And there's gives and takes all over the place, and nature is able to correct that.

But when we enforce an outside variable of massive change of climate on a short timescale, that has effects that we cannot model.

We just can't.

Not to that detail.

So we're stuck with following what's happening, seeing what's happening to these species, and the fallout from it could be a variety of things.

We just don't know.

And let's hope that as we do more of these studies, you know, humans take more steps to reduce climate change.

But I don't know.

I don't see any of that happening on like a political side.

Yeah, that one penguin's doing great, yes.

this is, I love studying intelligence in animals.

I mean, I don't study it.

I love reading about intelligence in animals because I think that humans tend to think that we're like the only smart thing on the planet and we're like, we're such geniuses.

We have this hubris.

We're such geniuses that we've been able to uncover the rules of nature and been able to uncover how the sun moves in the sky when really it's just because we're an animal, we're a species that's been living in this environment for hundreds of thousands of years and