Jessica Tarlov

Yeah.

I mean, you say that there are mechanisms there in the NBA and Adam Silver has, as the commissioner, a lot of latitude.

Right.

And what gets enforced and what doesn't.

But bringing this out to like a larger American question, we are supposed to be governed by laws.

And the court system is supposed to be a check, right?

And Congress is supposed to be a check on the executive as well.

But that ship really sailed a while ago.

And I'm thinking about things like, you know, a judge just halted Trump's plan to build the ballroom.

So now you just have a big dug up mess right on the lawn and, you know, following where that goes.

But it really doesn't feel like there's much accountability in this moment whatsoever for sports and certainly for our politics.

Absolutely.

And the comparison that pops up right away to me from the language that you're using is what's going on with the Epstein files.

And you've talked about the Epstein files on your show.

We just had Julie K. Brown on Raging Moderates, you know, the pioneering journalist who's been on this beat.

She's unbelievable.

Incredible.

Not going to lie, it was pretty depressing hearing her talk about her hopes or what's realistic to think could happen in terms of accountability, because they're definitely not touching the Steve Ballmers or like the Trumps of the world in this.

But they're they don't even have a fall guy.

They have like fall one fall woman.