Jessica Vaughan
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first heard Nov 2024
last heard Nov 2024
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Well, I think the term mass deportations might be useful from a messaging standpoint, but what this really seems to mean is a significant boost in immigration enforcement, not only at the border, but also in the interior. That's going to end the catch and release policies that are drawing so many illegal border crossers here, but also return to enforcing the law within the country.
so that people who've been arrested for state and local crimes, people who've already had their very generous due process and been ordered removed by an immigration judge but haven't left yet, they're going to be a target.
People who've been deported before, if they start up worksite raids, people who get caught up in that, anyone here illegally is potentially subject to deportation, although of course they're going to prioritize the most dangerous people first.
A lot of this, again, is rhetoric for the purposes of the campaign. But you're right. There is going to be a constant pushback, a constant narrative about how cruel and heartless this policy is. And so I hope that the Trump administration will emphasize the importance of this for Americans, that this is going to create job opportunities for Americans.
This is going to make our communities safer by removing gang members and drug traffickers. and other people who are committing crimes. But we also need to remember that what I found through my research is that it only takes a modest increase in enforcement before people start following the law on their own.
Employers realize that they could be shut down with a raid if they're hiring illegal workers, so they start doing their due diligence. In legal aliens who are sort of your regular people who came here for the opportunity of the catch and release program, but get their work permits rescinded are going to say, you know, I've had a good run here. I've saved some money. I don't want to be arrested.
I don't want to be separated from my family. So it's time to start planning my return home. And, you know, we find that just as many people leave on their own as actually get physically removed by ICE. And that's really the humane way to do it. I don't want to see ICE having to go door to door, picking up grandmothers on their way to church.
That's not the kind of enforcement that's going to happen. But Americans really want to see our laws enforced and have confidence in that we can have a robust legal immigration program where more people are coming legally than illegally, and hopefully not many at all coming illegally. And it will take time to get to that, but it's not going to require Gestapo tactics to get it done.
It will happen over time, and people will start complying with the law on their own.
But that's where the Trump administration needs to hit back and say, look, we're going after gang members. We're going after employers who are completely abusing these trafficked workers. We're going after drug dealers. And if they can keep on message with that and on task with that, then I think they're going to maintain public support.
Any so-called detention camps or temporary detention facilities, I think really the intent for that is to be at the border so that they can stop catching and releasing people. Instead, they can keep them in custody near the border and return them quickly. I don't think they contemplate that kind of situation within the interior of the country. I'm not sure the public really would support that.
They want the laws enforced, but they want it done in a humane way, not in a way that seems cruel. I don't think we're going to see county jails full of high school kids or something like that. That just wouldn't make sense.
People need to understand that it's almost impossible to vet anyone who's just coming across the border illegally. We have to take them at their word for their identity and their behavior in wherever they were living before.
And that's why we have to have a legal process where people are vetted at embassies abroad when they apply for a visa and then have their identity verified again when they arrive at a legal port of entry. We cannot continue to just allow people to show up on our doorstep at the land border
and spend an hour asking them questions and then just releasing them to an NGO to go on to their final destination and expect that we're going to keep a good handle on who's coming in. That just doesn't work. And I do think that our government can do reasonable vetting of people when given time and using a visa process and getting the cooperation of other countries.
And that was the basis for the so-called travel ban that Trump put into place at the beginning of his first term. The whole idea behind that was not a Muslim ban, but instead a ban on travelers who are coming from countries where we are not able to get good information about whether that person is a threat.
And if we cannot do that, then we shouldn't be letting anyone in from those countries unless we can have confidence in our information sharing and our ability to understand who that person is and to verify their purposes for travel.
And this whole vetting process that was started with the first so-called travel ban, a lot of that was actually preserved by the Biden administration and not scrapped. So that will not be hard to get going again. And I think there's a good case for the whole process to be... sort of upgraded and potentially look at slowing down admissions from even more countries than were on that first list.
Yeah, that's a really good question. And this is an issue that's going to be a problem, especially initially. Each one of these countries, and we call them recalcitrant countries, the countries that won't take their citizens back for deportation. And a lot of times it's criminals that we're talking about, right? It's going to take an individual approach for each country.
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