Jessie Stephens

Is this William trying to sort of distance himself and say, this is a slimmed down monarchy.

I'm not including Andrew and Fergie's daughters in my monarchy.

Is this what's going on here?

And then my follow-up question is, is that fair?

It doesn't sound silly, Holly.

Yeah, he's never really liked the Yorks, right?

He did not invite Fergie to his wedding and apparently the girls were very upset about that.

And don't they kind of run in different circles too?

Like William is all about the country set.

They're wearing their wellies and their pearls.

Yeah, so her house.

Claire, I know you care deeply about this, so I'm going to outline the case for why they are complicit in Epstein world, and then you can decide whether you think that that's fair or not.

Okay.

Continue.

No, there's certainly that, but here are some points against him.

Beatrice was involved in media management discussions about how Fergie's relationship with Epstein should be framed, like in these emails.

That's the first point.

Epstein paid for flights for the sisters to go to Miami to visit him with their mother the week after he was released from prison in 2009.

Wow.

And they were 21 when they took those flights.