Jia Tolentino
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981 appearances
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3 series
first heard Dec 2024
last heard Apr 2025
Jia Tolentino’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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The White Lotus Official Podcast · Inside Episode 7: A Deeper Dive with Dan Savage · 2 Apr 2025
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I don't think they use the word cuck, but yeah.
You can retrofit any fantasy onto, yeah.
Right. So what else is he going to do? He's going to tip her over into that dark water.
Well, also, you know, like all sort of profoundly devastating context around the society. In a lot of ways, it's so much easier to love someone when there is a time limit. It's easier to embrace them and accept them. So you basically—so you think this is too neat. For you, it's giving like he has concocted this to get Khloe to fuck a hot guy in front of him. Or—
And he's not gonna, so he might as well own it in the form of desire.
He's saying, I'm allowing you. I'm picking the target. I want to watch you do it.
I know, there's all sorts of poly rhythms going on there.
Right, or the indoctrination of.
And, you know, one thing that I wanted for Saxon from the second he started, you know, tossing off these mantras about how people just want to be used, people just want to be dominated, whatever. And then the student became the teacher, right? Like Lachlan's like, one day I'm going to take you down or whatever. I wonder if you can just talk about what is going on.
Right.
It occurred to me that Saxon's like perpetual externalization of his mantras and his philosophy is a result of the opposite on the inside. That in fact like he takes one drug. He takes one pill. He loses like the slightest amount of control. And he actually underneath he's pliable and he's malleable and he's the one waiting for someone to use him kind of, right?
And he – As his father has used him. Right. He has this helplessness, like the way he even looks at Chelsea, like the way he's kind of trailing behind the girls being like, someone help me, someone give me direction, someone tell me what to do. Whereas Lachlan in his outward life, you know, he's following people around looking for a philosophy or looking for a love that will draw him in.
He loses one layer of inhibition and he's like, you know what? I'm going to have a threesome with my brother. I'm going to jerk him off. Whatever, man. So, you know, like Lachlan actually has something inside him that Saxon does not. He actually has more of the instinct that Saxon has been trying to like inculcate in him.
Right. Cloaked in a Lachlan outside.
Right. Right. Exactly. Well, and what you were saying about, you know, either he wanted to or he is kind of doing this sort of straight male threesome performance.
Totally. It's a gag. Yeah.
Yeah. Saxon is afraid of it.
So let's talk about the three ladies and Valentin. I was thinking about there's that part in season two where Ethan tells Cameron, like— It's a kind of similar thing to what's going on with Lori and Jacqueline. That, like, Ethan's like, whenever I wanted to hook up with someone when we were younger, Cameron would just, like, swoop in and hook up with him first.
And he talks about mimetic desire, et cetera. And you kind of get a sense with the Jacqueline-Lori-Valentin thing. You know, you feel like Jacqueline's like, Lori, like, you're single, you're single, you should hook up with him. Yeah. It's kind of because she wants to. She's just being a little condescending towards single Lori. But then she fucks him, of course.
And Lori is like, well, you always do this.
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