Jia Tolentino

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The White Lotus Official Podcast · Inside Episode 7: A Deeper Dive with Dan Savage · 2 Apr 2025 podcast

And so much of it bends itself around money, but because this is the show that it is, it all is focused around human relationships and specifically a lot of it around love and sex. That's where you see the way people hide from themselves and reveal themselves and what they say they want and what they really want and how they lie and whether they lie, etc., etc.,

And so we thought, why not talk to Dan Savage, the author of Savage Love and the host of the Savage Love cast. He is someone whose work I have been consuming since, I don't know, 20 years ago when I was 16 and kind of learning about what sex could be other than what had been taught to me in high school. I feel like I spent so much of college reading Savage Love columns.

And I, you know, one could argue that to whatever extent we have developed a kind of healthy, open sexual culture in adulthood, we owe a lot to dance work over the last few decades. So I was really excited to talk to him. You might have already heard him on the Look Back portion of this podcast, Breaking Down Ethan and Daphne's Relationship.

And so we're excited to have him back to talk episode seven. I'm so excited to talk to Dan Savage, who I've been a fan of for a really long time. Dan is, of course, the host of the Savage Lovecast, author of Savage Love. Welcome.

Let's talk about all the fucked up psychosexual dynamics going on in season three of The White Lotus. You talked on the Look Back podcast about how, you know, season two, it was the bedroom farce. It was, you know, this was much more about sex and romance in season one. Where do you place season three on the spectrum?

Yeah, talking about fully grown genitals, etc.

Well, and it's like, I mean, who is here looking for love? It's kind of Belinda, kind of, or who has kind of found a real-ish version of it. It's kind of Belinda. Guy Talk's looking for love. Mook is looking for a sufficiently aggressive man that can then arouse her sort of romantic loyalty or something.

Right. And it's as if she knows that she can't tame the bodyguards into being sort of emotionally available and forthright. But perhaps she could get Guy talked to. I mean, she has a point in that, like, he does need to get better at his job. He's actually quite a bad security guard.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why are you gift wrapping it for suicidal patrons?

Yes. Sweating bullets the entire time.

Yeah, yes. What do you make of Rick and Chelsea's... I love them, personally.

Yeah. Well, before we get to the Ratliff drama, I wanted to ask you about Frank and, you know, the monologue. The shocking, perfectly delivered... That no one saw coming.

And probably not Frank himself either.

Being the one that wants to fuck them. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, it speaks to to also like sex being a realm in which you can be something completely other. Right. Like you put aside all the specific dimensions of him, you know, first exploiting and then thinking that he is an Asian girl or whatever, et cetera, et cetera. It's you know, there is something within that where it points to.

it is a zone where none of the rules have to apply per se.

Don't I know it, Dan Savage. You want to be the opposite of what you are.

Wow, Frank. I mean, all of this from two minutes of a monologue.

I wanted to ask you about the mommy-daddy, save mommy from daddy origins of Greg's.

cock fantasy when Chloe explains you know very rationally like oh you know actually it's just because he wants to you know he wants to take his mother back from his father and that's why we need to fuck in front of him and then he'll surprise us the two choices are either that he has actually like unearthed from his true childhood like a gem of originary sort of sexual experience and given it to Chloe

a girl that—he doesn't have a—I think they have kind of a wonderfully functional relationship, but not a tremendously deep one. Or he's just making this up because he wants to see his hot girlfriend fuck this hot guy.

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