Jia Tolentino
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981 appearances
13 recordings
3 series
first heard Dec 2024
last heard Apr 2025
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Yeah. Right?
Right. It turns out that I need to put on lingerie and perfume and pretend I am an Asian girl. And also I have to pay an Asian girl to sit in the corner of the room and stare at us.
Right.
Right. Actually, Frank has found out. Frank has has a very particular angle on the idea of identity being a prison.
And he's found a very particular solution. And it is one that it's like, oh, this man has more access to the deepest, darkest, truest parts of himself. You know, but also you can't look at Frank and say, oh, he's enlightened. You know, it's like he's still giving like every other person is an instrument to me. Right.
Like it's like the way that he conceives of this profound truth of his sexual identity is only reached through Frank. blunt force, mass scale, instrumentalization of other people's identities and bodies. So it's like he's transcended and yet he's deeper in the shit than anyone else too.
Yeah, and there's a way in which it's this very funny perversion of this Buddhist idea of reincarnation and different souls in different bodies and that in a past life we could have been this other thing.
Right.
Oh, he's so good, this episode. The shift from swaggering business dad to broken sack of Play-Doh.
We had learned earlier in the episode that he was an altar boy. He prays for deliverance.
He actually humbles himself for the first time in this entire plot arc. Like every other tactic that he has taken is one of evasion or confrontation. And here he prostrates himself existentially and it's like, I can't find my way out on my own. And it's like, can he be saved is the question.
Right. It's like everyone has come in with a very fixed, verbalized, clear idea of who they are and what they are about and what value system they abide by. And these things have all been externalized in conversation. And we have watched these characters say who they are and what they believe in.
You know, the girls through gossiping, the Ratliffs through this overt conversation, Chelsea and Rick through their gossip. interaction with each other. And now this has all been tested in various ways. Even Chelsea's commitment to love and connection and this eternally recurring partnership she believes she has. All of these things are tested.
And the question for me is like, which characters will end the season with this thing that has been exposed just instantly recovered with the exact same facade that was there before and which are going to stay cracked open. Right, right, right.
Yeah, and I think that this season is opening up to that possibility of transformation more so than other ones, like inherently because of the themes that are emerging. And it's dangling the possibility of actual transformation. I mean, even in the conversations that Rick is having with the therapist, right? Like there's a who will be converted to something else and who will not. And I don't know.
Yes. Okay, so the dynamic between the three girlies is longstanding. They've been friends forever. How conscious is Laurie of the power dynamic between them and how does she think about it sort of coming into the vacation?
And in this case, though, she's correct, right? As she finds out at the end of, you know, it's like not just you think it, but she sees them gossiping about her. And that's when we have that great moment at the end of the first episode. Right.
But if you're not, you know, sniping people's love interests on vacation, then you're not really, you know.
I think what the dynamic shows, though, that even in the most natural, long-standing, old, you know, long-founded relationships, it's still complicated. Like, it's still, there's still knives in there.
They're like, your doctor is not as good as ours.
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