Jim O'Callaghan

Well, just in terms of to distinguish what Gerry Hutch said, what Bertie O'Hearn said, like Bertie O'Hearn, I know people may criticise, he told he was having a private conversation.

He wasn't putting his words out into the public domain.

Gerry Hutch obviously said it at a public meeting.

So that was a very deliberate statement by him.

In terms of

asylum.

Like, asylum is one part of the immigration issue in Ireland.

And although it's only a small part, it is the most politically contentious, as you've indicated.

And I suppose the reason it's politically contentious is that other types of migration involve people coming in for work permits who are unable to work here and are able to, I suppose, pay their own way, being blunt.

When it comes to asylum, we have an obligation under the

A part of having a mature discussion is it is unquestionably the case that the establishment of a lot of IPAS centres has had an impact on local communities' views about immigration.

So I've sought to diffuse that.

You mentioned Dublin One, Conall.

I haven't, since I've become minister, opened any more IPAS centres in Dublin One because I believe that there was an over-concentration of them.

Well, I'm not as the direct answer, but I suppose it's a reflection of the policy that I've implemented.

And there were reasons for those contracts not going ahead.

And, you know, they're before the court, so I don't want to get into too much detail of it.

But like, I do have an obligation as minister.

to reduce the amount of money that we're spending.

And I'm having some success.