Jimmy Wales

They don't have to follow any of those people who are supposed to be in charge of the country.

Right.

Not OK.

Not OK at all.

And so that kind of stuff, it's bad in the moment, but it's also corrosive in a longer term way.

You know that you're suddenly like and, you know, if you've got a situation where people are like, well, they're all liars, they're all criminals.

Now I'm going to vote.

And if you tell me my guy, you know, committed a scam of some sort, I'm going to be like, yeah, they're all like that.

Yeah.

And like, oh, no, they're not all like that or they shouldn't all be like that.

Your guy's worse, though.

And in fact, I think as voters, got to be pretty harsh on these things, you know, to go like, actually, you're in a position of leadership.

You're in a position of trust.

Like a teenager, we should say to them, I expect you to live up to that trust.

I'm going to be really disappointed in you if you don't, you know.

Yeah.

And so there's all kinds of things that can undermine that.

Yeah, that's right.

Yeah.

If you're talking about the problems of social media, we can get quite in a depressed mood of like, oh, it's so toxic.