Joan Mulvihill

And I think that the guys have recognized that the brologarchy have recognized if we need to make the technology, we need to get to the level of scale that it is systemically impossible for them to allow us to fail.

So that the machine, the system will not allow those organizations to fail.

But all we get at the end of it

is probably a bit of, we're going to be invested in them not failing purely because we're not going to be big wealth holders, but we might manage to keep some of our pensions or something.

You know, that's the shrapnel, that's the change.

That's the chuck change that they have in the bottom of their pocket that they'll allow us to have, maybe, as long as it doesn't interfere with their growth strategy.

But we don't matter.

And as I said, UBI, what a crock.

You know, the idea that these guys are going to pay enough tax revenue to the government so that I can eat.

He's not even interested in me having clean drinking water.

So, you know.

Oh man, what an honor.

Like that book is so incredible.

And she sat on that stage and she is not allowed to talk about it.

And she at least did get to speak at Dublin Tech Summit, which was amazing.

She was very, she had to be interviewed.

So it was, she, she got to talk about her idea for the futures, but, and I actually missed some of it.

I had another meeting and I had to race back just to catch the last bit of it.

But then I was very fortunate.

She and Lenny brought me back to meet her.