Jodi Kantor

I don't think it's a pendulum, but like that's not my analogy because I don't think that's quite how social change happens.

But what I will tell you is that those obits for the Me Too movement were premature.

You know, and I'm a reporter.

I'm not an activist or a booster for the movement.

But if you just look at the facts, what you see is that women are still coming forward.

They're coming forward about what happened in Congress, right?

They're coming forward with allegations against Cesar Chavez.

It's like an incredible story reported by my colleagues here at the paper, right?

Like a real stunner that this guy who was regarded as a civil rights icon all these years treated women this way.

You've got Giselle Pellico in France with her head held high coming through this nightmare ordeal by being very public and refusing to accept any shame.

So I do think, I think the Me Too movement has been politicized.

It was very even-handed at first.

You know, there was...

It was Harvey Weinstein and Bill O'Reilly and Roy Moore, right?

It didn't feel like Team Republican or Team Democrat.

It felt like Team Concerned for Women for a little while there.

That's changed.

Obviously, we have a huge backlash led by the president of the United States.

But as long as women keep coming forward, which they are, then I think the conversation continues.

I think also, by the way, it's very interesting to me that as we look at