Jodi Kantor

the controversy in Congress at this moment, we're talking about one Republican and one Democrat, which says to me, the learning from this reporting was that this behavior exists everywhere, right?

Like this was kind of the stunning power of it.

Every society, every political persuasion, every economic strata, every culture, every sport, every religion, every country, why do these problems seem to exist everywhere?

And so I think it,

It's obviously unfortunate to hear these allegations from Congress, but I think it's sort of fitting of like, oh, yeah, one Republican, one Democrat.

Like, OK, like, yes, this is this is a problem for everybody.

Oh, just that it's just that it's really messy.

And like there are private reckonings that are really important that we never see.

Right.

Like one of the most important things that happened during Me Too were.

long contemplative conversations that people had outside of the public glare that I think had a nuance and depth to them that sometimes the more public discussions don't capture.

I think there were a lot of things that people were confused about.

So yeah, I don't think social change is like a pendulum that moves from one side to the other.

It's like a complicated, organic, ever-changing thing.

Oh, totally.

Oh, my God.

Of course.

Okay.

So it's October of 2017.

Megan Toohey and I have been working on the Weinstein investigation.