Jodie Hayward

But one of the books that I most enjoyed, the trilogy of books was 50 Shades of Grey.

I know that there was a lot of stick around it, but it wasn't it wasn't the sexual side for me.

It was the love and romance side.

I really enjoyed that side of it.

Other than that, the only books I read are personal development.

So don't have a wide repertoire.

But yeah, the word is so powerful to impact people.

And I think people need to think of that side of PR as well.

It's so non-confrontational when you're able to open something up and read about someone's life and get to know them in a way that you never thought that you would know them because they've been vulnerable and open with their words that are down on paper.

Even if it is listening to a podcast, if that's the medium that you love, you're getting to know us in a way that...

that you went well in a way that you wouldn't before without having met us but in this medium you're you're not having to have that confrontation of being face to face with someone so you can absolutely feel those emotions that you're getting from whatever it is and dive into that it's such a blessing to live in this day and age where we have these different mediums and i do think that if you're not utilizing the written word and pr and podcasts and all this stuff

Like, why are you being selfish?

You have a gift to give.

Why are you being the world's best kept secret?

Oh, I so love that you brought this up.

I'm smiling while you're saying this because it was literally yesterday that I was having a call with one of my clients about being addicted to chaos.

Literally addicted to chaos.

Now, I can sit here and say all these things because I've done exactly that.

I've done exactly that in my business, my previous business.

I've built it too.