Joe Allen

So if the federal government could actually enact legislation that would have teeth, that would protect children, that would hold these companies to account, what would your opinion then be on state legislation?

Do you think that the power should rest in the states or that the federal government is equipped to actually take care of this?

And what states have really stood out that have stepped up, especially in regard to child protection?

So the big fight right now is artificial intelligence, but

In your experience, you know that digital culture has all sorts of pitfalls that children fall victim to.

If you or any of you would like to speak to that, how does the effect of digital culture and the tragedies that you've experienced, how does that relate to the current issue of artificial intelligence and chatbots?

Yes, correct.

And just if you could expand on that a bit, the app was Character AI, correct?

And that was the same app that Megan Garcia's son, Sewell, was using.

Did you really have to lure it out of the bot or...

And just for context too, the Character AI app right now has something like 40 or 20 million users right now, right?

And that's enormous, but ChatGPT has 800 million users.

So how many of those are children?

How many of those children are actually being barred or protected?

Zero.

The scope of this really can't be overstated.

many millions, tens of millions, maybe hundreds of millions of children lured into this.

So in your fight against preemption, and you hear David Sachs call this a moral, some sort of moral panic, you know that in the lives that you're touching that real people are seeing disastrous effects, and you know statistically this is happening.

What would you say to David Sachs right now in regard to that?

Yes, Steve.