Joe Allen

I can only say what they say, which is progress.

They oftentimes say, well, profit.

And I imagine that some kind of progress, some kind of future of humanity is in their minds, but it is by and large a transhuman future.

And the profit motive is clear.

Whether or not these people actually consider the damage that's done, I can't answer that.

They never really own up to it.

But if they've even thought about, again, one of these children and continue to do what they're doing, it's sociopathic.

Knowing that...

For instance, at OpenAI, we know that roughly a quarter million users ask AI or talk to AI about suicide.

So we're talking about hundreds of thousands of people that they know are being roped into this, and yet they do it anyway.

So I don't know what's inside their minds, but from the outside, they're predators.

They're sociopaths.

You know, Steve, it's great you ask that because absolutely so.

In fact, Doomer Optimism and a number of other organizations that I've come to speak with or to speak to, to speak with, to discuss, these aren't dyed-in-the-wool conservatives.

They're not the kind of right-wing people that I usually keep around me.

These are, by and large, liberals who have said,

I do not want to live in a future like that.

I don't want my children to live in a future like that.

And we're not talking about dozens.

We're talking about, certainly in the last year, I've met hundreds of people of, again, they're normal Kamala Harris voters, but they see this as predatory and they see this as a complete end to their way of life and anything like a future for their children.