Joe Hudson

and had that awakening experience.

But what happened in that moment, which is the peace part of your question, is I could just access peace at any time.

Like there was this vast oneness.

There was nothing that was personal.

There was nothing to be upset with.

If I did get upset, if I did get constricted, I could just remember and it was lovely.

But it was also not whole.

It was also not joyful.

It was like I could be at peace, but I couldn't

be intimate I could be at peace but I was still being if whether I wanted to admit it or not I was still being like thrown around by my shadow I I was at peace but I was still putting myself above people and and so so that

So, and then about that same time, I became a venture capitalist and I started getting involved in the world.

And what I realized, the first thing I realized there was, oh, business is awesome because you can like pretend you're a piece on a pillow.

But like when your company is losing $10 million, you just lost $10 million investment or $20 million investment, right?

Like that's real, you know, or like you're in a board meeting and things aren't going right.

That's real.

Like, how are you going to attend to that?

How are you going to be with that?

Like, I'm all at peace.

Are you going to do something about it?

Can you do both?