Joe Hudson

that peace was great, but it wasn't the complete picture.

And I wanted to actually be like human, fully human.

And I think that the peace was almost a way to avoid like pain avoidance.

And so, and I stopped having any interest whatsoever in perfection.

So with that,

this guy came into my life named Case.

And Case was a weird human being.

I love him, but he was no easy character.

But he had this capacity to...

have a conversation with people and their lives would change.

And he also had the capacity to sell.

If he had believed in a product, he could sell like easily or raise money easily.

Like just unbelievable.

It's just crazy how he could do it.

And so he became a friend and he got cancer.

And so he lived with us because he wanted alternative treatment that you could only get in California.

And so he lived with us and I got to watch him do his work.

And I was already starting to coach people at this time.

And so

And that started like the deep relational work, which I'd already done a lot of work with the heart.