Joe Popich

And Simon came out and had a book in his hand.

I remember Simon saying to me, oh, you know, I've got this book.

I think, to me, he was saying, I think you're ready for it.

I'll give you a copy.

I remember the book because Tony had the book.

It was called Service of the Divine Plan.

I was a bit shy and meek and mild back then.

I just sort of said, thanks anyway, but it's not for me and you're welcome to keep it.

But, um...

Certainly got bad vibes off the guy and often think that I'd really wish to turn back time to handle that situation a hell of a lot differently than what I did.

It was neat and clean and nothing untoward that you would go, oh, what's happening here?

Apart from maybe some, what's the word, manipulation, coercive control, they call it now, I suppose.

That probably was quite rife in that household.

You could feel it.

I just with the way that Tony I could see was being manipulated and almost, you know, totally controlled by this guy's every whim, you know.

Yeah, absolutely.

To this day, I don't know how they met or how they came into contact with each other or what the connection was.

I really don't know.

I probably should have asked the question, but he just sort of teamed up with them.

Then I think Chantelle, Leela and Simon moved on somewhere and Tony did his own thing for a while, did some travelling, went back to Nunup and then they happened to be down there when he said he'd reconnected with them again.