Joe Spector

And one of the things we did is we launched this website called SavePuppies.com.

And if you go to safepuppies.com- Well, I love your marketing.

That wasn't taken.

I know, right?

Yeah, it wasn't taken.

And so you can go there and send a letter to your local legislator.

That's the only way that things will change is at the grassroots level because we don't have the crazy budget that these trade groups have.

I think they're associated with it.

So I think, again, there's two things, what they'll say publicly versus what happens behind closed doors.

And I've read, I mean, it's like we live in two different worlds because what they'll say is, like, for example, one reason prices are going up is there's also massive vet shortages because the veterinary profession has one of the biggest dropout rates of anyone.

Oh, yeah.

and they'll say, and this is just factually true if you follow BLS, Bureau of Labor Statistics, but they'll say there's no shortage.

Or you'll say, you know, prices are going up, and there's like data that shows that.

They'll say, no, prices are not going up.

So a lot of times when you talk to them, the...

surveys they put out are completely nonsensical.

Right.

And there's this bottleneck in veterinary school.

Totally.

So that's another thing.